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Apr 18, 2008

Friday, April 18, 2008 Allan E. Parrish

Theme: CONTAINERS

7A: Stunt pilot's maneuver: BARREL ROLL

61A: Jersey add-on: CHEST PATCH

11D: Louella Parsons' rival: HEDDA HOPPER

25D: Roe v. Wade, notably: FEDERAL CASE

26D: Fight with feet: KICKBOX

A few things first:

1) As I replied to the whoo in yesterday's comment, this blog has about 3,000 visitors every day (Record: 5,750 on April 7). So, on average, about 1% of the solvers leaves comment.

Many of you still prefer to send me emails, and I am grateful for you kind words and I am happy that you are willing to share with me your daily solving experience. But please do not feel ignored if you've received no response from me. I simply do not have enough time. I do, however, read every one of your email. And I believe that I've replied to all the emails with a crossword-related question in them.

I really hope you guys will join us at the Comment section, it's only 2 clicks away. And it's so much fun there. Besides, your question will be addressed more quickly and expertly. Dennis, Dick and Drdad all check in regularly during the daytime.

You've also been watching me blundering my way out of this crossword labyrinth every morning, and you've been seeing me asking all kinds of questions. Some might sound silly to others, but honestly they are TERRA INCOGNITA to me, and I am not afraid to ask. I hope you will do the same if you are baffled by certain clues/cluing. Remember, no question, as long as it's crossword related, will ever be deemed silly or dumb here in my blog. And to quote Will Rogers, "Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects"

2) To those whose local newspapers only carry Monday-Friday TMS puzzle: You can always go to Chicago Tribune's Crossword website for Saturday puzzle. It's always themeless and quite fun to solve sometimes.

Now, back to today's mammoth headache. Oh what a nightmarish puzzle! Stupid CERF/PARI section! CERF appeared on last Sunday's puzzle, and irked me greatly as I had never heard of his name before (there were 7 authors' names in that brutal puzzle). So I googled, whined in my blog, then I promptly forgot.

I also could not remember Parimutuel and XKE, both of them appeared in this constructor's Feb 1, puzzle. Did not know that BARRIO is Spanish for neighborhood. Vaguely heard of Hedda Hopper, but I could not retrieve her surname out of my brain. So, a total quagmire there.

MOHS, HILLEL, EMILO, KEMP, AMECHE are all my Muqtada al-Sadr this morning. So formidble and hard to catch. I simply do not have enough ammo or strategy to fight them. The only thing that made me happy was to see NIC Robertson intersecting KICKBOX. I adore NIC.

Boy, it's been such a sluggish week for me. I guess I was distracted by something Philadephia related. Could be Obama's anemic off-performance, or Hillary's begrudging "Yes, Yes, Yes" comment, or I was simply bothered by Chris Coste, Ryan Howard and their fans. Twins suck!!

Across entries:

1A: Big name in book publishing: KNOPF. Gimme for me. Carl Bernstein's "A Woman in Charge" (Hillary Clinton)'s publisher. It also published Clinton's "My Life". KNOPT is now owned by Random House.

6A: Minerals scale: MOHS. No idea. Mineral hardness measure scale, named after German mineralogist Friedrich Mohs. Now, how I can remember such a forgettable name?

10A: Cut with an ax: CHOP

14A: Actress Garson: GREER. Ha ha, got her this time.

15A: Reebok rival: AVIA. Curious about the history of Adias and Puma? And a bit Nike? Read this book (Three Strips Verus Puma). English version is now available.

19A: Deuce follower, perhaps: AD IN

21A: Puzo book, with "The": LAST DON. Since "Godfather" and "Sicilian" do not fit. He also wrote "Omerta" of course. I've read all of them, in Chinese naturalmente.

23A: IRS payout: REFUND

26A: Dole's 1996 slate-mate: KEMP (Jack). I am not familiar with American politics in the '90s. I've only lived under one president, the current occupant of the White House!

28A: Courtroom declaration: PLEA. Really? I thought you declare "guilty" or "not guilty" in the courtroom. I wanted OYEZ.

29A: Actor Estevez: EMILIO. Forgot. He has to change his name in Sheen for me remember him.

31A: "__ Jude": HEY

32A: Anti -DUI org.: MADD (Mothers Against Drunk Driving)

33A: Roberson of CNN: NIC

38A: Classic Jaguar: XKE

40A: Actress Hedren: TIPPI. Wow, she is Melanie Griffith's mom, did not know that before. She was in "The Bird"? That's one scary movie.

43A: Vitamin-bottle data, briefly: RDAS (Recommended Dietary Allowance). Why do they make the vitamin pills so big? It's so hard for me to swallow.

45A: _ humbug!: BAH. Hmm, Scrooge is thy name Mr. Williams!

47A: Straddle: SPAN. Astraddle is also a word, like yesterday's astride.

50A: Leon lady: SENORA. Did not know where Leon was. But SENORA was easily inferable. Leon is in north Spain by the way. I love the movie LÉON a lot.

52A: Bennett of Random House: CERF. Founder of Random House.

53A: Bad French: MAL. Pas MAL a clue at all. In fact, I like it a lot. Much better than "_ de mer".

54A: Kentucky fort: KNOX

55A: Spanish neighborhood: BARRIO. No idea.

57A: Makes allowances for: EXCUSES

59A: What cons do: TIME. Good clue. Too bad I tanked this one.

60A: Quahog, e. g.: CLAM. Nailed it this time.

66A: Padlock partner: HASP

67A: Prefix for spaces: AERO

68A: Sadat of Egypt: ANWAR. He succeeded Nasser, then Mubarak succeeded him. He and Begin shared the 1978 Nobel Peace prize. He was indeed a visionary who dared.

69A: Merino mamas: EWES

71A: Bacterial infection: STAPH (Staphylococcus). No idea.

Down entries:

2D: Gun Lobby: NRA. Needs an "Org." in the clue to indicate an abbreviation.

4D: Won over: PERSUADED

5D: Refrigerant gas: FREON. All right, "FRE" stands for "refrigerant", and "-on" is suffix for inert gas.

6D: Slugger McGwire: MARK. Too bad, he screwed up his HOF chance. McGwire is also a scratch golfer, very powerful swing.

7D: Lacto - __ vegetarian: OVO. "Lacto" is milk, "ovo" is egg. Basically it's Vegan + Egg + Milk. I have discipline problem, so I can only be a flexitarianist at best!

8D: Ancient Jewish rabbi: HILLEL. No idea. It's "Palestinian rabbi who greatly influenced the interpretation of Judaic law". Literally the word means "he praised" in Hebrew.

9D: Seasoned sausages: SALAMIS

12D: Bobolink's cousin: ORIOLE. Not a bird person, did not know what was a bobolink. Would've got it had it clued as "Baltimore ball player" or "Cal Ripken Jr. is one".

13D: J. C. follower: PENNEY

18D: Heavily burdened: LADEN

22D: Gush forth: SPOUT

23D: Turning figs.: RPMS (Revolutions Per Minute)

24D: Israel's airline: EL AL

26D: Fight with feet: KICKBOX. Let me show you how.

30D: Shuffle: MIX

35D: Wrongdoer: MISCREANT. I suppose this word is too harsh to describe Jeff Immelt. But can I say his mind-boggling behavior is "MISCREANT"? Crazy, if you could not deliver, why would you promise? Would things changed that dramatically in a month? Time to leave!!

37D: To-do list stuff: TASKS

41D: __-mutuel: PARI. What can I say? I have a picky brain. It just refuses to remember certain things.

42D: Skinny, sort of: INFO. If I were the constructor, I would clue it as "Skinny, short".

44D: Five Nations tribe members: SENECAS. Nope. I totally forgot this word 5 seconds after I met him last time. SENECA is "a members of the largest tribe of the Iroquois Confederacy of North American Indians, formerly inhabiting western New York and being conspicuous in the wars south and west of Lake Erie."

46D: Convent attire: HABIT

48D: "Cocoon" star: AMECHE (Don). No, total stranger to me.

49D: Accountant's concern: TAX LAW

51D: Snacks: NOSHES

56D: Oscar org.: AMPAS (Academy of Motion Picture Arts and Sciences). Flirted with ASCAP until PATCH (61A) came along.

63D: Hughes' airline: TWA (Trans World Airlines)

64D: Tooth topper: CAP

65D: Monarch's letters: HRH (His/Her Royal Highness)

C.C.

67 comments:

Katherine said...

Good morning everyone! I had a hard time with this one today. 14 A is Greer, not Geer. Little typo there CC. I should have known Ameche but I just couldn't think of it. The movie was too long ago! I never heard of MOHA for mineral scales.
Enjoyed the nice weather everyone.

Dennis said...

Good morning, C.C. and gang. I sure do love my perpendicular cousins - couldn't have done today's without them.
C.C., re 28A, in a courtroom, the judge will ask, "how do you PLEAd", so I think the clue is appropriate.
All in all, a nice little puzzle, I thought.
Make it an outstanding day - and it's a Friday to boot!

Katherine said...

Looks like I made a typo myself with MOHA, meant, MOHS........
Dennis, where do you live?

Bill said...

Hi all, Good day today! MOHS ???
OK! Even with a clue I was clueless. I wanted 15a to be NIKE so badly that I refused to change it for a while. (Besides, never heard of AVIA. Looked them up and I guess they're big.
19a Cannot see the connection! Maybe someone can enlighten me.
Beautiful day in CNY. 80 Deg and sunny by noon. About time for spring.
CYA

Dr. Dad said...

You forgot one of the answers that has the theme - kickBOX. A bit of a struggle today. Katherine - its MOHS not MOHA. Mohs is a scale to measure mineral hardness. A courtroom declaration is correct as you enter (declare) your plea. I think 32A anti-DUI organization is misleading. MADD is against drunk driving so why would they be anti (against) a DUI? I always thought they wanted drunk drivers to be charged with DUI and lose their license. That makes them for (pro) DUI.
Have a good weekend.

Dennis said...

Morning, Katherine - I'm in a small lake community in south Jersey, Medford Lakes. You?

Bill, "deuce" and "ad in" or "ad out" are tennis terms. See Mr. Google for a full explanation.

Dennis said...

drdad, "dui" means driving under the influence", so I think the clue's ok - they're against driving under the influence. Are you thinking of the charge "dui"?

Dr. Dad said...

Found a definition for ad in. Ad is short for advantage. In professional tennis, the ref says Advantage Sampras. In non-professional or where the names of the players are not well known they say ad in or ad out. In stands for the server, out stands for the non server.

Dr. Dad said...

Dennis - your explanation makes sense. I was thinking of the charge. Thanks.

NYTAnonimo said...

Had trouble in the lower right corner-finally came here to resolve it. Didn't know the OSCAR organiztion was-AMPAS. Also had LIFE instead of TIME for 59A What cons do. And General Laos instead of General TSO'S Chicken. Which left me with CHEATMATCH for 61A Jersey add-on. Amazing how you can dig yourself in a hole!

Here is the dope on BARRIO c.c.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Katherine,
I've changed my mistake. Thank you. The fault of my burned breakfast!

Dennis,
Hope you are enjoying your time in FL.

Bill,
I wanted Nike too. But Mark McGwire said NO.

Drdad,
Thanks. I totally missed BOX.

I guess I do not get your point, MADD is indeed against (anti) Driving Under the Influence (DUI).

Katherine said...

Bill, I didn't get 19A either. Still don't! Dennis, I live in a suburb of Detroit, Mi., but far enough away that you would never know it.

Bill said...

OK Now I see. Never played tennis in my life. Too busy with baseball.
Thanks.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Dennis et al,
Now we have 5 theme entries, there should be 6 for balance, no?

Dennis said...

C.C., yes, I'm all for balance.

Dr. Dad said...

C.C. - Dennis corrected me on DUI/MADD.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Dennis,
I had another look at the grid, and decided it was balanced. The BOX is canopied right in the middle of all the other 4 theme entries. Good enough for me now!

Dradad,
I noticed that after I published my comment. Dennis was quick, he always is!

Anonymous said...

Good morning CC and everyone, Don't have to call the Crossword Police! Pretty tame today. I liked this puzzle. Ate my heart out on 23A though. Not for me!!! Thought the undercurrent of tax fraud was funny..."tax law", "refund", "excuses", "plea", "time". I was a little disturbed at being able to get the OLD actors' names w/no trouble. I won't panic until I recognize the person who discovered the wheel.

The XKE brought back some memories! No back seat there!

Kim can say, "Oh look at all the orioles at the bird feeders" with ease. And it looks like Dennis may be spared from having to resort to Crack or something worse. Thank goodness! I was worried!

I am still thinking about drdad's explanation of avoir dupois units yesterday. And now MOHs? I'm all about watching weight, but come on! No "moh". Avoir, y'all.

Dennis said...

Thank God I can finally stop staring at bird feeders - I've yet to see one of those aforementioned items there anyway.
Lois, I knew the wheel discoverer when he was just a kid.
And "no moh" - cracked me up.

Superfrey said...

Interesting puzzle... I thought "Chestpatch" a goofy clue... who thinks that way to build a puzzle? Whatever... Got stuck on MOHS and AVIA and on the ADIN clue... I was thinking poker not tennis...
CC I think that the reason why you get so many direct emails is related to the difficulty in signing onto your blog. I still have to sign up as a new user every time. People don't want to go throught that trek and would rather just email you directly.

NYTAnonimo said...

Did anyone else feel this earthquake this morning? it was an interesting way to wake up!

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

By the way, everyone, have a look at yesterday's comment section and read Thomas' take on PAU. Guess it's not such an obscure place to clue.

nytanonimo,
The General Tso Chicken recipe you linked looks good. I've eye-tasted it (is it even a word?). No, the earthquake is too far for me to feel.

Drdad et al,
Are you guys experiencing the same problem superfrey said in his last comment?

Dennis said...

C.C., the blog holds your posting name unless you sign out of the computer, then you have to log back in to the blog; I haven't found it a big deal.

Bill said...

Name-- Email address
and
password
and I'm in every time.
Coulden't get in yesterday till I figured out that the name was the whole email address.
Gettin' slow in my old age!!

Dr. Dad said...

Dennis is correct. You can leave the "comment" part of the site and go back to the main "answer" page that C.C. set up. When you return to the comment part you are still signed up as a "poster" and it shows that right under the comment entry box. I have never had a problem.

C.C. - I sent you an e-mail regarding yesterday's question.

Anonymous said...

Finished this one up without too much trouble, but the actresses and authors were a stretch. Lots of perpendicular cousins saved me today.

I noticed all the tax fraud answers too. It was good for a grin this morning.

I'm a little bummed I missed the earthquake this morning. A friend of mine emailed to say she felt it and she lives less than half a mile away. I slept right through it. It doesnt surprise me; I was tired!

Should be a lovely day here, but tomorrow it's supposed to cool off by about 10 degrees and rain all day. Too bad, since it's the end of spring break for us.

Superfrey said...

CC. Dennis, DrDad,

This is a test for me to see if I can sign on with your instructions hopefully it will work. I was going to the comments section and trying to sign in there rather than the main blog page.... OK... here goes

Superfrey said...

Shazam !!! It worked. Shows my ignorance of blogging.... it is my first blog. I must admit though it invites you to leave a comment and should allow you to log on there. Thanks all for the much needed instruction.

Bill said...

Another thing..on the original post..post the comment first, and then sign in.
I don't seem to be able to get in till I've actually posted something.

Dennis said...

Bill, that's correct.

Superfrey said...

Again, thanks to all who helped me on this... phew

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Superfrey,
Good, I am glad this problem is solved!

I seemed to remember lots of glitches happened with blogger software during Dennis' last visit to FL. Jim, Dick, NYTanonimo all went through plenty of trouble.

Dennis,
Are you planning for another FL visit soon?

Lois & Ellie,
I completely missed this very interesting sub-theme. Thanks.

Drdad,
I've added your paper on the list. Thanks.

Is 42D: Skinny, sort of, a credible clue for INFO? Don't you need some hint in the clue to imply an abbreviated answer? Or INFO is considered to be a regular word?

MH said...

Got this one except I didn't know Mohs or Hillel so I had this one empty box where an H had to go. Arrrgh. Otherwise a very satisfying puzzle. I didn't actually get the theme until I read the blog but I got them anyway. Definitely some unusual words!

MH said...

Regarding logging in...I use two different computers, one a PC and the other a MacBook. On the MacBook I use Safari and it always remembers me and doesn't require me to log in. On the PC (using IE latest version) I always have to log in when leaving a comment. Once logged in there is a check box that provides email followup to my email address when I click "publish your comment". However the checkbox doesn't appear until logged in. This is a little frustrating using the PC because the checkbox doesn't appear until after I've published my comment. Seems to be a difference in browsers or computers.

Anonymous said...

15A AVIA was purchased by Reebok in 1987 so this clue threw me as I knew that bit of history - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_%28shoes%29

jimhllrn said...

Good morning,

C.C. You said that 13D was PENNY. My paper has a six character answer. I didn't know that J.C. spelled it PENNEY. I had first put PENNIE. mall!!'
This is one of many puzzles I could not complete totally unaided. 5A, 19A, and 8D left me completely blank. I did say 'many', but this is probably the 3rd or 4th this year and I've been doing these for 16 years.
Gtta go. Love your blog and the people that populate it.

Superfrey said...

C.C. I don't know if you are keeping a list of what newpaper your bloggers use, but mine is The Naples Daily News

Razz said...

I'm past ready for the weekend. Stuck in day long meetings all week!

Did anyone notice the over use of acronyms today? I counted 9 from KGB to SSNS.

Anonymous said...

Hello,
I am 200. I just want to test whether my comment will be published if I sign in as anonymous.

Bill said...

Utica Observer Dispatch

NYTAnonimo said...

c.c. I found this info about INFO at infoplease. If this isn't enough info let me know!

Razz said...

San Angelo (TX) Standard-Times
Monday through Saturday - TMS
Sunday - L A Times xword

jimhllrn said...

I get the Philadelphia Inquirer

NYTAnonimo said...

Yes razzberry-I was going to comment on the overuse of acronyms too and forgot-MADD, XKE, RDAS, SSNS, KGB, NRA, ELAL, RPMS, HRH, TWA and AMPAS!

lib said...

Had fun with this one today...really enjoyed reading all the comments. They get my day off to a great start!

Dick said...

Hello everyone. My ISP crapped out on me this morning so I am a bit late joining you. cc I noticed that again they used Cerf and also used his publishing company's name, Random House. Bennette Cerf used to be on a show called "Whats My Line" hosted by Gary Moore. Ibelieve it ran in the early 60s or late 50s.
This darn puzzle gave me far too many problems. It was like someone drew a vertical line from 6 to the bottom of the page and said you can do all to the left of that line and none to the right. Needed help today. Drdad I had the same problem with anti DUI. Thanks for the clarification Dennis.
Looks like this will be another great weekend with tempeeratures in the high 70s. See you on Sunday.

Robin said...

TGIF everyone. Thanks for the shout out CC and Lois. I liked this one, especially for a friday. Quahog got me tho, I could only think of the "family guy"...Have a great day everyone.

Dick said...

cc I get the puzzle in the Beaver Valley Times Monday through Saturday and in the Pittsburgh Post Gazette on Sunday.

Dr. Dad said...

In Rhode Island, people look at you funny when you say "clam" because up here it is "quahog." I think it could qualify for the state shellfish. They use a lot of quahogs in their "chowda" and they always refer to it (they alomost never use "clam chowda). Surprisingly, though, they do say "Chowda and clamcakes."

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

NYTanonimo,
Isn't INFO is a shortened form of INFORMATION?

If so, shouldn't the clue reflect that?

Anonymous said...

'Miscreant' is one of my favorite words. I think 'wrongdoer' is a very understated definition. Wiktionary defines it as 'an unscrupulous villain.'

I think the 'skinny/info' clue is acceptable because they are both considered slang terms. The NYT puzzle once used 'poop/info'. I found that amusing.

I just found out that Tippi Hedren is still alive, and she was born in Minnesota (New Ulm).

NYTAnonimo said...

Found this
2. If an answer is abbreviated or shortened, the clue will almost always indicate as much.

Sometimes the clue ends in the straightforward designation "Abbr.," as in "Worldwide: Abbr.," for which an answer is INTL, for international.

Sometimes a word in the clue is abbreviated; for example, if the clue is "Delivery co." the answer will be FEDEX, not FEDERALEXPRESS.

And sometimes the clue will contain some obvious or less than obvious reference to the shortening of the answer. If the clue is "Shakespeare, to his friends," the answer will be WILL or even WILLIE or BILL or BILLIE or BILLY, but not WILLIAM. If the clue is "U. of Kansas mascot," the answer will be HAWK rather than the full name, JAYHAWK.

Above I said the clue will almost always indicate that the answer is shortened. The few exceptions appear to fit these criteria:

* the abbreviation is well known and widely used, and
* the abbreviation is used more often than the full version.

here c.c..

Anonymous said...

J.R.F. gets the Philadelphia Inquirer

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Superfrey,
On the right side of the blog, there is a sidebar titled "Which Newspaper". You will see all the newspapers that have TMS syndication puzzle. Your paper is already in the list.

Jim,
My mistake on PENNEY. Sorry. Dennis
gave me your paper name long time ago.

Razzberry,
I've added your paper on the list. I did not pay attention to the excessive number of 3-letter acronym this morning. I tanked the whole puzzle.

Bill,
I've also added your paper to the list. Thanks.

Dick,
Thanks for the CERF information and the 2 newspaper names.

Drdad,
Didn't you enjoy the clam while in Yantai/Penglai?

Johnboy,
OK, "the slang" makes sense to me now. I was obsessed with the abbreviation all morning.

NYTanonimo,
Got it! Thanks.

J.R.F.,
Your paper is listed already.

Dr. Dad said...

Yes I did enjoy the clams and scallops while in Penglai. Had more seafood in a week than I do in probably three months in the U.S. All of it was quite good but I must be honest. One thing I tried and never will again - a sea cucumber!! Those are not for me.

Bill said...

C.C,
Utica Observer Dispatch in Utica, NY not NJ

Anonymous said...

CC, love this blog. I'm in Palo Alto, CA. (Not far from Google) Been doing crosswords for just over a year...hoped to save my mind from the ravages of aging...and became hooked. I sit at the breakfast table and Google on my iPhone when stuck. You are part of my day.
Enjoy the comments from the whole group. Bobolink is my nickname and so decided to enter in today after your comments about the 1%.
Fascinated with the way crosswords reach into individual experience, geography and age...also love this cross country contact made possible by tech.

Anonymous said...

19A deuce follower was hard. I started with cards and tried TREY. It didn't work with 10D CHAT, so I went with ACES. When I got 12D ORIOLE and 13D PENNEY, I had AxIN. I went with AFIN (A FIN) for a money analogy. (A deuce is a two dollar bill, a fin is five dollars.) And then it turned out to be tennis, not cards or money!

Leslie said...

Did pretty good here, but what the HELL is "chestpatch" for Jersey add-on? No clue at all. I didn't get "adin" until the comments section kept mentioning tennis, and I played for years. Was reading a long "a" and couldn't unhook from it.

Leslie said...

Oh, and C.C., way to fish for comments!

Anonymous said...

Leslie, I'm thinking CHESTPATCH for "jersey add on" is the little patches you sometimes see during a game. I'm specifically thinking of college football bowl games-- usually the players have an extra bowl logo patch on their jersey shoulder during the game.

Anonymous said...

Dennis, you do make me laugh! Too bad that kid couldn't have patented his wheel invention. He could've really made a fortune...the "wheel of fortune" ! Come to think of it, was his name "Merv"? Oh, no! I knew him too. Ok, I'm going to panic now.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

Below is a comment from a fellow solver who emailed this to me earlier.

"I had trouble with 13 down J.C. follower clue. With the Pope in town I was looking for Jesus Christ followers, trying to fit Peter in that spot. I guess the periods should have alerted me."

Anonymous said...

Good Afternoon Everyone!
Good Lord what a troublesome puzzle I got it done with the help of MR GOOGLE! Tippi headroom is from New ULM? I might visit her I live 30 miles from there! I would love to meet her daughter. I do the puzzzle from th St. Cloud Times in St. Cloud Mn.
Hey Dennis? you must know my best friend Roger. He says he is one day older the dirt!
Take care everyone!
the WHOO

Anonymous said...

A little trivia that might come in handy...Hedda Hopper was married to Broadway actor DeWolfe Hopper and their son, William Hopper played Paul Drake on Perry Mason.

Gargoyle

Mr. Corcoran said...

I was so stuck on Leon and his lady...thought for sure it was music/song...no earthquakes in socal today...time to don the Avias and go for a run...don't forget cerf is also French for a very nice animal.

Zhouqin (C.C.) Burnikel said...

the whoo,
I've added your paper to the list. Thank you.

Gargoyle,
Thanks for the information.

Thomas,
I just found a lovely CERF, merci beaucoup!