Theme: No Reveal Monday - Not to worry ~ it's all here.
20. Theoretical temperature at which molecular activity ceases : ABSOLUTE ZERO
31. Astronomical phenomenon : TOTAL ECLIPSE
40. 0, 1, 2, 3, etc. : WHOLE NUMBERS
52. Rarity for a pitcher, nowadays : COMPLETE GAME
Argyle here. A bit of a reversal today; I used the theme entries to help get the fill.
Across:
1. Trek to Mecca : HAJJ. Had to wait on the last letter.
5. Astringent in taste : ACERB
10. Something made on a shooting star : WISH
14. Brainstorm : IDEA
15. Circus animal handler : TAMER
16. Pot starter : ANTE
17. 1999 satire about a reality show : EDtv. A film directed by Ron Howard.
18. Erie or Cree : TRIBE. Another reversal; Erie as a clue.
19. KOA visitor : RVer. Kampgrounds of America, where the recreational vehicle owners stay.
23. __-and-effect : CAUSE
26. Wimbledon do-over : LET
27. Quieted, with "down" : TONED
28. Wes in the Basketball Hall of Fame : UNSELD. Bio.
30. __ Domingo : SANTO
35. Bambi's aunt : ENA
36. "Mr." with Jim Backus' voice : MAGOO. "Oh Magoo, you've done it again!"
37. In line for : DUE
44. Pasty-faced : ASHEN
46. Ability spotted by a scout : TALENT
47. Slow-moving mollusk : SNAIL
48. "__ was saying ... " : AS I
51. Actress Rene : RUSSO
55. Some dadaist pieces : ARPS. The World According to Arps. Oops, wrong Arps. It should be Jean Arp or Hans Arp but Ron Arps is something different so I think I'll leave him.
56. Go to pieces : PANIC
57. Rocker Hendrix : JIMI
61. "The Lion King" lion : NALA. Wiki.
62. Show beyond doubt : PROVE
63. Eve's partner : ADAM
64. Represent unfairly : SKEW
65. Fathered : SIRED
66. Toy on a string : YOYO
Down:
1. Shake a leg, quaintly : HIE
2. Put two and two together : ADD
3. Air Force One, for one : JET
4. Indonesian site of a WWII naval battle : JAVA SEA
5. Some "Night Court" characters: Abbr. : ATTs. (attorneys)
6. "Silent Night," e.g. : CAROL
7. Novelist Zola : ÉMILE. If you ask me what I came into this life to do, I will tell you: I came to live out loud.
8. Counter, as an argument : REBUT
9. Author Harte : BRET. Born: August 25, 1836, Albany, NY, but wrote about the Gold Rush.
10. Dangerous place for an embedded journalist : WAR ZONE. (and everyone else)
11. Dream up : INVENT
12. Man cave system : STEREO
13. "The Great" Judean king : HEROD
21. Ding-dong maker : BELL. Hah! It's really Hostess.
22. Sched. postings : ETAs
23. Like kitten videos : CUTE
24. Any minute, to Shakespeare : ANON
25. Court sports org. : USTA. (United States Tennis Association)
29. Sinister spirit : DEMON and 41D. 29-Down's milieu : HELL
30. Teapot feature : SPOUT
32. Western neighbor of Nev. : CAL.. (Nevada/California)
33. Size up from med. : LGE.
34. Charged particle : ION
37. Dead ends? : DEEs. First and last letters.
38. Coffee servers : URNS
39. __ perpetua: Idaho's motto : ESTO. "Let it be perpetual". Idaho forever!
40. Two-person log-cutting tool : WHIP SAW. Crosscut top and ripsaw bottom (used for making planks)
42. Schoolteacher of old : MARM
43. Toronto baseballer : BLUE JAY. shout out
44. Hooded ski jacket : ANORAK. 1920-25; & Inuit (Greenlandic) annoraaq (I doubt they did much skiing.)
45. Supermarket freebie : SAMPLE
47. Speed-reads : SCANS
48. Big name in arcades : ATARI
49. Madrid mister : SEÑOR
50. "Uncle!" : "I GIVE!"
53. Actor Omar : EPPS. Now starring on the ABC drama Resurrection.
54. Got a hole-in-one on : ACED
58. Wedding vow : "I DO"
59. Memorial Day month : MAY
60. "I think," in texts : IMO. (in my opinion)
Argyle
53 comments:
{C+, A+, B+, C-.}
Sonnets have rhymes that flow like a YOYO,
Odes are written to laud a great hero.
Haiku sets a mood,
Limericks should be lewd.
Alas my poor doggerel is ABSOLUTE ZERO.
The sky was falling, but much too soon!
It was supposed to last until late afternoon!
A comet-tail, conic,
Loosened holders, 'lectronic,
But the sky used the TOTAL E-CLIPS of the Moon!
If ADDition problems were pasteurized,
And subtraction in turn was homogenized;
Divides arrived at
The percents of fat,
Then as skim or WHOLE, NUMBERS would be categorized!
Give me the eyes of Mr. MAGOO,
Hair like JIMI Hendrix' do
TONE of natter
Like BLUEJAY chatter --
And a meerkat I'll show you!
Interesting link to the article on Ron ARPS, but the clue was for Jean ARP. Dada art flourished in the period between WWI & WWII.
Morning, all!
Learned that JAVA SEA and WHIP SAW were things, so that was nice. Wasn't thrilled with some of the cluing (not sure how many man caves still have STEREO these days as opposed to surround sound, for example), but whatever.
Had a fun, albeit expensive, time at the circus yesterday. After paying $80 for each ticket and $30 for the souvenir program, I wasn't counting on the $20 parking and the $30 for three hotdogs and a popcorn. Ah well, at least Joshua can now say he's been to a circus (of sorts)...
Good morning!
This one had some nice fill and very little in the way of abbreviations -- welcome, but unusual for a Monday. Thanks, Timothy.
So a WHIPSAW is a real thing. From what I read in Merriam Webster, it must be another name for that Pit Saw that you linked, Argyle. Learning moment.
Good Morning, Argyle and friends. Interesting Monday puzzle. A few interesting Monday words, such as ANORAK.
I have a few missteps, such as wanting Imagine in lieu of INVENT for Dream Up, and wanting I Quit instead of I GIVE for crying Uncle.
QOD: Writing is an act of faith, not a trick of grammar. ~ E.B. White (July 11, 1899 ~ Oct. 1, 1985)
I still haven't learned where the *whip* part comes from.
WAS. What Argyle Said. Especially in the intro. And about ding-dongs.
Good Morning!
Still wondering how a retired person like moi cannot find enough hours in the day. I've barely done a puzzle in a week!
Thanks Tim for a nice Monday offering. Nice tour, Argyle. I am with you on Hostess!
Have a good day everyone!
Good morning, folks. Thank you, Timothy Meaker, for a fine puzzle. Thank you, Argyle, for a fine review.
This was more a Tuesday level puzzle. A few tricky words. ACERB, UNSELD, ANORAK, WHIPSAW, JAVA SEA. However, still much easier than a Friday.
Wanted HADJ for 1A. JET killed that. Then wanted HAJI. Fortunately it was easy to convert the I to a J. Avoided an ink blot.
Tried spelling HEROD as HAROD. Fixed that. Ink blot.
Theme answers were easier than a lot of the fill.
Ah, my home town, home lake, and now my home TRIBE. Erie. The tribe has been spelled ERIEZ. Depends on what you read. There was, and probably still is, a manufacturer in Erie named Eriez Magnetics. I still have some of their advertising magnets on my refrigerator.
Omar EPPS is a pretty good actor. Liked him on House.
Off to my day. See you tomorrow.
Abejo
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Good morning everyone.
Mostly easy except for not getting the S in USTA. Didn't grok the theme, but the theme fill was all straightforward.
Held back on HAJJ until the spelling du jour became evident.
JAVA SEA - Not taught much except in Naval History.
Always liked Rene RUSSO in films. Wonder why she doesn't ADD the second E at the end.
Have a great day.
Easy because of my age (Wes Unseld).
Argyle: Wonderful write-up & links. Good Job!
Tim: Thank you for a FUN Monday puzzle that made me think a little bit.
Needed ESP (Every-Single-Perp) to get ANORAK, also a learning moment.
I live in Tarpon Springs, the only "Ski-jacket" I wear doesn't have a hood.
(Though it will keep you a-float).
Nice CSO to Canadian Eh with the Toronto BLUEJAY.
Time for a morning walk on the beach.
Cheers!
Thank goodness. It's Monday and I'm smart again. Mostly a speed run, with a few minor speed bumps such as ACERB. Easy peasy, no pain, no brain strain. Thanks Tim for a fun puzzle and thanks, Argyle, for an engaging expo.
Off the chiropractor and then grocery pickup. Will check in later.
Cya!
Good Morning:
This was an enjoyable romp with a bit of a bite, but easily solved.
Thanks, Tim and Argyle, for starting the week off on the right foot! Argyle, what's the status of the corn crop up there in Washington county?
Stopped at my sister's yesterday and enjoyed a surprise treat of her kibbeh, which I love. I even got a "doggie bag!"
Anon and Tx Ms from yesterday: Thanks for taking the time to describe corn fritters. The food item I was thinking of was a circular concoction like a corn muffin that you toasted. I just Googled it and finally found out that they were called Corn Toasties. Maybe we referred to them as fritters and I, mistakenly, "mis-remembered" them as "Fretters". Sometimes our memories play tricks on us, me thinks!
Have a great day.
I am in the process of becoming a reluctant descriptivist, but the prescriptivist in me continues to cringe when a puzzle is comprised of ;) clues that define scan (or worse peruse) as a quick process. But if this is the most challenging obstacle I face this Monday, it will be a good day. With that said I really enjoyed this one.
Musings
-As a math, science and baseball person, the fills were all fun
-ANOR_K/N_LA was the only point of anxiety
-Baseball’s best bullpen made COMPLETE GAMES unnecessary for the Royals last year
-A Disney movie about looking for baseball TALENT in a faraway place
-SKEWED data
-Laser INVENTOR, Theodore Mainan, said it was a solution looking for a problem in 1960
-Should I tell the story again about a supermarket SAMPLE I wolfed down thinking it was soda that turned out to be Irish whiskey? Nah.
-A quick SCAN probably won’t show you the mistake here
I thought the theme today might be The Whole Enchilada! Thank you, Timothy L. Meaker, for an enjoyable if a bit chewy puzzle. It took me a while to recall HAJJ and aha! UNSELD slipped out from some reserve where old memories hide.
ACERB was preceded by ACRID and I chuckled at seeing Erie as a clue. DEES as dead ends was clever. And a shoutout to all former and current teachers at school MARM.
I still have to finish yesterday's puzzle as I was gone most of the day.
Thank you, Argyle, for adding to the fun.
Have a lovely day, everyone!
Absolute?
Totally!
Whole?
I is Complete...
Belated Happy Birthday to Don G!
Where can I hear more about these piano projects?
Got the theme with the first two theme answers. This puzzle was an absolute, total, whole and complete pleasure. More interesting and thought provoking than a typical Monday.
Northwest Runner, I echo your interest in prescriptivist vs. descriptivist. I believe my transition to descriptivist is almost complete.
IMO SCAN is a word that has two completely opposite meanings, just like dust. Dust the furniture means remove dust and dust the cake with powered sugar means add dust.
SCAN: (first and third meanings are opposite)
*To examine something carefully. Example: This technique is used to scan for defective genes.
*If an image or text on paper is scanned into a computer, it is changed into electronic information by a special device. Example: A little hand-held device beeps as soon as it has scanned a bar code.
*If you scan a text you read it quickly. Example: I scanned a few pages of the book and thought it looked interesting.
Disclaimer - This is just my opinion and the reason for it. Your results may differ.
YR @ 9:50:
SCANS to me (and you, too I think) also refers to a limerick and its meter. E.g.,
Did you watch on the 4th of July
When the fireworks lit up the sky?
Or did you run and hide
Like my frightened pet, Clyde;
Don't they know to let sleeping dogs lie?
Ok, maybe not the best limerick, but it SCANS!! 😜 I am all about trying to get anapest correct!
As for today's puzzle ... C'mon man! This is a Monday level? The SW Corner gave me a DNF as the ANORAK/ARPS Natick proved my undoing. I had several other ink blots as I too had HADJ before HAJJ and ACRID before ACERB, and JAKARTA before JAVA SEA. RENE RUSSO and I share the same birthday - though she's a year younger. Loved her in TIN CUP ... I'd insert a Youtube clip but it isn't as easy from my mobile phone
A bit of a crunch in a well constructed and clued Monday puzzle, really well done.
Nice that CAROL and MAGOO are in the same puzzle, it's a bit over 5 months to Christmas but "Mr. Magoo's Christmas Carol" is really one of the best representations of the great Dickens story. It's right up there with the classic Alastair Sim version, IMHO.
I'm not sure where to post comments for past puzzles as I've noted that Abejo posts on he same day but then does anyone go back to read them?
Anyway, I finished Sunday's puzzle which I found unusually difficult especially the tricky cluing and like Jayce, I believe, don't care for abbreviations such as LDRS. However, there was much to like especially the BODY theme as volumizing. Neat! I loved PRINCESSAND THE PEABODY!
New learning for me: cavatappi, paneer, BOSCO, (I knew the "blood" was something like cocoa but didn't know that brand, wanted syrup)OBTESTS (must do some research on that one)
Many thanks to C.C.'s insightful review and to Mr. Bajcz (badges).
The Rene RUSSO clip I promised. A bad word toward the end . . . like my birthday sharing person, I also think that the Zodiac and Horoscopes are a bit of hooey . . .
I liked this puzzle. Irish Miss said it well: "This was an enjoyable romp with a bit of a bite, but easily solved." I have never heard of Wes UNSELD but the perps were solid. Last to fill was the SW corner with that ANORAK, which is a nifty word. I suspect the AK (also spelled AQ) is a characteristic of the Inuit and Aleut languages, as many words end with it. UK is another common word ending. I wonder if it has anything to do with grammatical gender.
Best wishes to you all.
Jayce, you could ask Kate Shugak about that.
Corn is in good shape barring any mishaps during the planting end. What came up is doing well.
desper-otto, yes, Kate Shugak might know, but I get the impression she's not fluent in Aleut, English being her primary language. I love Dana Stabenow's Kate Shugak novels. I take it you do too.
Hi Y'al! Nice solid theme. Fun puzzle with a few hiccups! Thanks, Timothy! Thanks, Argyle!
So many ways to spell HAJJ and today's choice was about the fifth try.
Didn't know UNSELD (ESP). He Played basketball before I was a fan.
DEvil before DEMON. In line for wasn't qUE but DUE but I didn't stand long for the correct one.
Chairman Moe: I watched some of the fireworks to make sure my environment wasn't on fire.
P.S. Thanks to Stabenow, I knew ANORAK immediately. Is there a new book out? She left Kate in a predicament in the last one.
A throwback to yesterdays Sunday LAT puzzle. (Only because I was still working on it this morning) I can't recall a puzzle that tortured me so much from the get-go. After two hours I had minimal fill. Only late in the day, having revealed two theme answers with the word BODY, was I able to make progress.
I did myself no favors, having B_ _ Y _ _ _ _ WORK, I naturally assumed the first word was BODY. Ouch. Eventually did figure out all of the long answers and was content with a dozen stray empties around the grid.
Tough, tough, tough, but not without a sense of reward.
Well, my only real troublesome moment came with HADJ instead of HAJJ, but everything else fell into place readily enough. I'm glad I knew ANORAK--that helped a lot. So, all in all, a good start to my Monday--many thanks, Timothy and Argyle.
Barry G, glad Joshua enjoyed the circus!
Irish Miss, what's a kibbeh? Don't think I've ever tried one.
Loved your poem, Chairman Moe.
Have a great week, everybody!
Crunchier than the usual Monday. Thanks Timothy and Argyle.
Hand up for Hadj before the alternate spelling HAJJ. UNSELD was all perps. I had Skims before SCANS.
I smiled at the CSO of Toronto BLUE JAY. Wimbledon do-over reminded me of Raonic's record setting advance as first Canadian to play in the men's final. Murray was the better player yesterday but Raonic will be back. Rogers Cup coming up in Toronto will draw a good crowd.
I suppose there is a partial CSO with ANORAK (although we are more apt to use Parka). Certainly don't need one with today's heat.
Off to celebrate my Bday.
Jayce, yes I enjoy the Kate Shugak novels. (If Kate didn't know the answer, I'm sure one of the aunties would.) I believe it was a comment of yours here on the blog which got me started on them. Thanks. I've only read 18 of 'em so far, so I'm blissfully unaware of the situation that supposedly arises at the end of book 20. Has anybody here tried her Liam Campbell series? (I haven't.) If so, whaddya think?
Well, things haven't been going so well lately. Yesterday afternoon, I was on my way to the bike path with my bicycle on a rack on the back of my car. I stopped at a stop sign on the way down the big hill heading toward the ocean. There was a bang from the back of my car, almost like a small explosion. A guy had rolled up behind me and hit me. I pulled over. He inquired if I was OK and apologized profusely. Nothing major seemed damaged. Further inspection showed that my front bike tire was out of whack and there was a small gouge in the rear fender. (This my my old 1993 Camry with its share of smudges and dings.) The new bike wheel will be in place by this afternoon for about $68. I probably won't get the car bumper fixed. The guy who ran into me is the owner of a well-known local restaurant. I am trying to call him to see how he wants to handle it, I hope fairly. We'll see...
Aahh, back down to my level of intelligence. This was easy with only a couple write-overs: tangy before ACERB and WHOLENUMERalS before WHOLENUMBERS. I knew HAJJ and a couple perps showed that I needed ANORAK instead of parka. Thanks for the fun today Timothy Meaker and Argyle.
Belated Happy Birthday wishes, Tony! I hope it was a good day!
Happy Birthday, Canadian Eh!
Have a great Monday!
Pat
Wow, Bill G, so sorry that happened to you. I hope your conversation with him proves to be constructive.
desper-otto, I have read two of the Liam Campbell books and I like them. I have read maybe 18 of the Kate Shugak books, so I also do not know what happens to her after that.
Happy Birthday, Canadian Eh!
Bill G sorry to hear about your run-in with the restaurateur. So sad about your bicycle wheel. I hope he is a mensch and will pay for your wheel or, at least, offer a free dinner for you and the Mrs. I had an accident on slick ice years ago. Later at a local function I again was introduced to the lady involved. I said, "We ran into each other before," tongue in cheek. She was not amused.
A very happy birthday, Canadian Eh! How will you celebrate?
Irish Miss, I see you enjoy Middle Eastern food. Is there a story there?
I will have to try the Kate Shugak novels. Often I avoid books or TV offerings in a series. I suppose I miss a lot.
Owen KL, A for the first A- for the second.
Mao, I'm with you on scans. How could I have overlooked that? I love poems that scan. Here's an A for yours.
Here is a wonderful photograph of our moon passing in front of Jupiter and four of its moons. Really good! APOD of moon and Jupiter
Happy birthday, Canadian Eh! I hope you have a wonderful celebration.
Bill G:
I, too, am sorry about that unfortunate "meeting" and hope it is resolved in your favor. That is a beautiful photo of Jupiter and the moon. Did you see in USA Today the discovery of a planet with three suns?
So what is all this talk about Dana Stabenow's novels? They sound good and I'm always happy to try a new (for me) author. Thank you, avid readers.
Bill @ 1606 - The picture is reversed for the northern hemisphere. The crescent moon should be shining toward the right since its phase is between new moon and 1st quarter. Is the observatory in the southern hemisphere? Perhaps Chile?
I see it was taken in Italy. So it must be reversed.
YR @ 4:01: I'm sure it was a "freudian slip" (of sorts) when you called me "Mao" instead of Moe! I guess the "Chairman" title, and the nearly homo-phonic name (Moe vs Mao) could make you think about the former leader of the Chinese Communist Party . . . but rest assured, I am not a Communist (nor Chinese), nor even a Chairman . . . at least not of any corporation! ;^)
BTW, thanks for the grade "A" on the limerick . . . :-)
Is my face red, dear Moe! You are certainly not Mao who is not on my approved list. But you certainly are on my A list. I also like your Moe avatar.I am so sorry.
The "no mistake always completed Monday" puzzle ruined from the get go when I spelled the first clue "hadj"
Ack! Almost slipped that one by me...
Didn't see this as a very smooth Monday. Abuja's list was MY list, plus I'll add the obscure EDtv in there. It did come together without help, but I had to work at it. I agree with you, Jayce, that anorak is a nifty word, but I never can remember it without a few letters.
What an expensive night,Barry.And I thought $40 for taking the boys bowling the other day was expensive. LOL! It was fun; we'll go again. I haven't bowled for over 25 years, so the boys, with their bumpers, beat me.
Bill, great photo! So sorry about your bike; hope the crasher is a gentleman about paying.
YR @ 5:33 - no worries, my dear! I knew you didn't mean to call me Mao . . . I have been carrying the "Chairman Moe" handle - and avatar - for quite awhile. I was a big Three Stooges fan when I was a kid/teenager, and as an adult came to know their satire/sarcasm (when you can get by the slapstick) as a big part of their act.
Interestingly, the "Moe" part of my "handle" was NOT originally related to the character in the Three Stooges. The first "blog"/bulletin board I participated in was for the magazine/online site Wine Spectator, back in the 1990's. Wine is a big hobby/passion of mine - and for the past six years, a vocation - and when Wine Spectator started their online bulletin board, I took the handle "Moe Vedre" (which is a play on the word Mourvedre, a red grape varietal grown mostly in France).
As I got to know other posters on a personal level, and subsequently organized some gatherings to visit wine country and do wine tastings/dinners, a few of my friends there began calling me the "Chairman" - and then dropped the "Vedre", leaving Chairman Moe. But as I've told others here, Moe is just fine! It's been my "pseudonym" now for at least 15 years . . .
Whoops! Forgot to check in today! I got caught up in my new Ancestry fixation. My wife gave me one of those DNA spit tests, and I was shocked (d'you hear, Shocked!) to learn I am 58% Irish!
It didn't make much sense because my family history (at least the part we knew) is very British. But my DNA says I am only 15% British and another 15% Scandinavian!
Well, I have been hard at work trying to pin all this down. Of course, many Brits are Scandinavian too, ever since the 9/10th century Danelaw, but how about this Irish business?!
That's what I've been tracking down - and now I have answers! But I'll save those for another day. Just wanted you all to know why I was so busy I didn't check in on today's very fine pzl...
Thanks for the Bday greetings pje, YR, Lucina, Jayce and the very appropriate cake CED! Wonderful dinner at another local winery sitting on the patio overlooking the vineyards. Gazpacho with watermelon and feta (wonderful riot of flavours) , veal with fresh peas and morels, strawberry/raspberry crumble. Yum.
Happy Burthday, CanadianEh! Hope you had a special day. 🎂🎁🎊🎈🎉
Bill G, sorry to hear of your travails; I hope your crash culprit does the right thing!
YR, my interest and introduction to Middle Eastern food developed over the years as my sister, Peggy, is married to a first generation Lebanese-American. She learned all the ethnic dishes from his mother and according to her husband, she is just as good a cook as his mother was. Not bad for an Irish lass who grew up eating meat and potatoes, tasty and rib-sticking but hardly adventuresome!
The anorak and the Inuit people might have been the main reason why Roald Admundsen was the first to reach the South Pole. He knew that nobody was more able to survive extreme cold than the Inuit. He adapted their dress for his expedition and also used sled dogs for transportation. Robert Scott on the other hand, used English wool clothing and horses. The outcome in that case was tragic.
In the year 1,000, Eric the Red was the first non-native to settle in what we now call Greenland. The Norse never did adopt Inuit ways of survival. Probably because they thought they were above such backwards ways of living. In the year 1,500 the Norse disappeared from Greenland. What happened to them is a major mystery among historians. I'd bet the Inuit knew why.
Hi All:
WEES - Crunchy for a Monday. Thanks Timothy. Thanks Argyle for the write-up and cartoon clip.
I had no IDEA there was a double-J HAJJ; both of 'em perp'd. ESPs UNSELD, EMILE, & BRET.
I'm in a PANIC, there's so much fun (JIMI, BLUE JAY, DEMON next to HELL, ATARI, YOYO [<-Link, skip the first 1:30]) to pick from. I GIVE, I'm going w/ theme answers - 3 math/science and 1 baseball; what more can you WISH for in a Fav?
{B,A,A,C+} {A} (for C. Moe)
Belated HBD Don (hard)G!
Happy Birthday C, Eh!
Bill G. Sorry to hear about your bike. That stinks. If the restaurant is good settle up with a great meal for four and a bottle or two of wine.
From Sat - LOL re: cake CED! Thanks.
Just 'cuz they're Italians it's reversed, eh Spitz? Oh, I see... Dago in that-a-ways :-)
Cheers, -T
Jerome interesting about Inuit clothing for Amundsen's expedition. Also about the disappearance of the Norse from Greenland. I have read several books about that. Thanks.
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